Conversation with H – Cont.

12.3.16 In my previous comments as a preliminary reply to H – taking into consideration his   scruples on the use of language and of certain anthropomorphic-sounding expressions in particular – I accepted that much of the language in Eastern texts – whether mythological or philosophical – is wrapped with a florid, imaginative language, which contains an exuberant use of hyperbole and other devises, such as metaphors, stories, and unlikely dialogues in the forest by a master and his disciple or disciples. Should this, however, detract from whatever truth is contained in them? Often, if not as a rule, spiritual or metaphysical doctrine is the main focus in such writings (I mentioned the Mahabharata, but there are many other writings, called Puranas, that are equally imaginative and entertaining as well as being didactic). Who can complain about such works of the creative imagination if the ship or vessel takes you finally to the safe harbor of truth – a truth, that is, that can never be fully conveyed but any kind of language? The only problem, really, is that there is not enough time to immerse oneself and get lost in such marvels!

Examples of the language I am referring to were given, such as the presence or absence of ears and eyes (and feet) in the supreme deity itself; the quality of fearlessness, etc. – which cannot but be a decoy for the absolute or reality in itself. Indulging a little more in such delights, we hear about brilliant bodies like the sun, the moon and the stars – all the celestial luminary bodies that are the all-pervading Lord Vishnu… There is a wonderful story in one of the Upanishads (sacred texts) about a boy, Svetaketu who, having undergone a 12 year long education in a hermit’s ashram, returned home with a swagger, very proud of himself. His father, on noticing this, asked him: ‘Oh son, you are so egoistic and proud! Have you learned about that Entity or Reality which is to be taught, hearing about which all that which is not heard about becomes heard, all that which is not deliberated upon (hitherto) becomes deliberated upon, all that which is not cognized becomes cognized? The father then goes on to teach him…

The language of these sacred texts (some of them are one rung below that, and are called ‘received’, while the former come under the epithet of ‘heard’) is not descriptive with regard to the ultimate reality; rather they are evocative, and this is true of most of the ‘sacred’ or religious texts in the world. As a friend, Dennis Waite, wrote recently in ‘Advaita Vision’, you cannot have ‘concepts’ from the standpoint of absolute reality – that would be duality! Secondly, you cannot mix levels of reality.

The following is an illuminating commentary to one of the Upanishads by the great Indian philosopher Shankara:

‘Even revelation makes Atman (supreme Spirit) known to us only by negating the function of a knower or of any means of knowledge …. “Seen by whom, and by what means? Known by whom, and by what means?” it asks. “… Where everything is the Spirit alone?” It does not assume the usual descriptive function of speech which rests on the presumption of the relation of words and things denoted by them’.

I already mentioned the value and function of neti, neti in this context, that is, that of removing misconceptions. I also referred to superimposition and subsequent rescission as existing, though un-acknowledged (or un-intended) in normal language and also as a teaching devise, which was an insight or discovery of the above mentioned Shankara. One of the texts puts it this way: this is pulling up all ignorance by the roots.

The ultimate means of knowledge [i.e. scriptures] removes the knowing nature itself superimposed on Atman (the Spirit) and, simultaneously with that removal, It ceases to be a means of knowledge just as the means of dream knowledge ceases to be such on waking up. (Bhavagad Gita)

In my previous post I included an excerpt related to the meaning and significance of witness (who or what is a witness according to the non-duality of advaita Vedanta), and also mentioned briefly two types of knowledge but, rather than abounding on this, I will end with another quotation: (The god-avatar Krishna teaching the warrior Arjuna):

I am born as everything by virtue of my illusory power – everything is merely an appearance of Me, who am the absolute reality beyond time, space, and any talk of causation.


About amartingarcia

General surgeon (retired). Studied Western philosophy at U of Toronto. Afterwards interest turned to advaita vedanta and non-duality for past 20 yrs, plus a long interlude in Sufism coinciding with that period. Now contributing in ’Advaita Vision’ with regular posts and discussions.
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2 Responses to Conversation with H – Cont.

  1. Aluizio Monteiro says:

    Caro Alberto
    Lo conocí en 2002 en la casa de Maria Claudia (de Brasil) en Bloomington.
    Gustaria de de saber se podemos tener una conversación privada?

    Saludos cordiales


    Aluizio Monteiro

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